100r Deep
MTT Tournament $109 Buy in No Limit
As per usual, Aggression deep in 100rs!!
Ante: 150
Pot: 84,791
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- Hand Conclusion
- EeeTee2008 collected 81732 from pot
- Hero's Final Analysis
- Maybe I got lucky - I hope my analysis was right on posting this first hand!!
- Villain 1: RandALLin
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Pre-Flop
Question 1:
RandALLin: raises 3000 to 4600
everyone else
folds.
As you all might know, Randall is a very good and aggressive MTTer. He's very capable, and will definetely be applying the aggression here. I , however, have a decent hand with an awkward chip stack in position against him.
- A. Fold
- B. Call
- C. Raise to 9,999
- D. Raise to all in
Community Answers
Hero's Analysis:
Folding I think is pretty bad - We have position and can definetely exploit his very wide range here with a nice
hand.
Reraising is essentially shoving - yet we are committed , and I think it's close, but problem is he's going to
call us wide.
I like calling, because we have position, with a nice hand with good
showdown value - and I'm prepared to play back on a lot of flops.
Flop
Question 1:
RandALLin: bets 5000
Randall will be continuing here with a HUGE range of hands - we don't know much about his range yet, though.
- A. Call
- B. Raise to all in
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Hero's Analysis:
I just call - we have a lot of showdown value, and I think it's a lot better than just shoving here, when I think I have showdown value . When we shove, we just fold out a ton that beats us, and instead just get owned by all his value range
Turn
Question 1:
RandALLin: bets 5000
- A. Fold
- B. Call
- C. Raise to all in
Community Answers
Hero's Analysis:
Very, very weird bet.
Not much makes sense here. I don't think I like to fold, because it's so
cheap, and we still have position, and we don't need to be good here
very much at all.
I think Randall knows that I'm floating a lot here and planning to play
back, so this bet can definetely be to stop this, and also it can also
be to try slow me down from bluffing/betting something better on the
river. Because he knows its really really tough for me to bluff shove on
the turn here.
But yeah this bet is really confusing - I think we have to call though
River
Question 1:
RandALLin: bets 28800
WOWWWWW
- A. Fold
- B. Call
Community Answers
Hero's Analysis:
I explained quite a bit in the last spot, but now there is a lot of additional information for why I think this
is a call.
First of all, we don't have to be good here v. much for it to be profitable .
Second, Randall definetely has a bluff range here.
Thirdly, We have very few Ax in our hand. Reason being, is that we are basically reshoving them all preflop.
Fourth, He knows we have a marginal showdown hand by the way we have
played it. Sure, we are slowplaying a few hands here, but very few, as
really only 78 etc are slowplaying here, as we are reshoving a lot of
stronger hands preflop (Not all of them, we can trap here a bit, but his
calling here to 3bet jamming is quite high )
Fifth, His line makes no sense. Not much can beat me. It's really only
an A, and theres definetely a hell of a lot more in his range than this.
His turn bet is weird , and theres just something not right about his
line. So I call
Hand Conclusion:
EeeTee2008 collected 81732 from pot
Hero's Final Analysis:
Maybe I got lucky - I hope my analysis was right on posting this first hand!!
AmirSF (February 12th 01:33:11 pm) Quote
Answers: Pre-Flop (1. B) Flop (1. A) Turn (1. B) River (1. A)
Nicely played. I played it in the same way as you up till the river.
On the river I was thinking the same thing you were thinking, but I was also thinking Randallin knows we don't have many aces in our range, he knows we know it - we called 2 streets, is he really going to think we are going to fold?
Basically, I'm saying - he knows it's obvious we have some weak hand with showdown, is he not going to give us credit being able to make a river call getting 2 to 1?
I guess on the river it depends on how often we think he is shoving. If he is doing it with his entire range (because he knows we are likely weak) than I think the all is clearly good. If he is giving up a lot, it's tougher.
In reflection though, since we are getting 2 to 1 pot odds on the river - my preferred choice would be to call the river. But I don't think it's an easy spot.
Also pre, my preferred choice is to flat - but if we were just a bit shorter I would prefer to raise all in.
AmirSF (February 12th 01:44:59 pm) Quote
Answers: Pre-Flop (1. B) Flop (1. A) Turn (1. B) River (1. A)
BTW, I think what he was doing with the turn bet is making it look like he is setting up a river shove. If he bets bigger on the turn, he knows he won't have enough chips to bluff you on the river.
Personally in his spot, I think a better way to bluff at this pot is with a 2/3 flop bet and shove on the turn. Stacks aren't deep enough for an effective 3 barrel bluff.
I also think it's a good flop for him to do it because you don't have a lot of aces in your range, and he has good equity with KQ.
zombietrader (February 12th 11:27:35 pm) Quote
Answers: Pre-Flop (1. C) Flop (1. A) Turn (1. C) River (1. B)
Thanks for the hand ET well done on going so deep.
Great result in the hand. Largely IMO thanks to the SB's donk shove on the river.
IMO he didn't have you on an A and was hoping to hit one of his 10 outs and stack you. He played it like he was playing an OOP draw.
He must have had you on a weak hand and was hoping you wouldn't put your touney life on the line LOL. A pretty poor plan b.
Anyway a couple of questions.
1. Why wouldn't you have considered shoving on the turn? You didn't believe [or there was a low probability] he had a hand and you would have taken away his odds to improve.
2. If the SB had raised a smaller amount say 5000 would you have called or come over the top?
3. When your deep in a big MTT do you find calling 2:1 on a potential elimination hand an easy call??
Cheers
pingpong (February 19th 07:18:53 pm) Quote
Answers: Pre-Flop (1. B) Flop (1. B) Turn (1. A) River (1. A)
As Amir, says what would you do if he shoves the turn? the only reason not to raise all-in on the flop is to induce a bluff shove on the river
buffyslayer1 (February 20th 02:35:29 pm) Quote
Answers: Pre-Flop (1. B) Flop (1. A) Turn (1. B) River (1. B)
i see alot of this at the moment small turns bets to set up pot size shoves on the river. good players are doing it with the nuts as well as air.
buffyslayer1 (February 20th 02:36:27 pm) Quote
Answers: Pre-Flop (1. B) Flop (1. A) Turn (1. B) River (1. B)
oh ment to say the river is a tough tough call though so well played even though the line is becoming common
naid195 (March 19th 06:33:38 pm) Quote
Answers: Pre-Flop (1. B) Flop (1. A) Turn (1. B) River (1. B)
mainly as a cash game player i beleive you played this hand close to perfect........calling with 2nd pair on flop is standard, when he bets 4th street with same amount i agree that is the Wierdest shit ever haha but stil your inclined to call..........but lucky for you river is a deuce and he just ships it? well we know that more than 60% of the time hes checking down all aces for showdown value maybe except for AQ AK type hands where a nice value bet may be placed..........but in this case just an easy spot to snap him off with 2nd pair, and im sure if he had a 7 well hes checking it to you to take a stab if he figures your calling light on both streets and knows you know you cant win without betting?.....well to some it up you beat a ton of hands when he shoves that river, you know he doesnt jam any pair there JJ,QQ,KK........the amount of hand combos he could have that you are beating are so high id say you havbe like more than 60% equity in the hand even without pokerstove....lol soz for the novel............great play and pot control
naid195 (March 19th 06:35:43 pm) Quote
Answers: Pre-Flop (1. B) Flop (1. A) Turn (1. B) River (1. B)
and any 10-X hands your chopping to obviously lol.......
naid195 (March 19th 06:56:22 pm) Quote
Answers: Pre-Flop (1. B) Flop (1. A) Turn (1. B) River (1. B)
btw i played the hand exactly the way you played it dude shotteeeezzzz
Kermit (December 5th 09:35:44 am) Quote
Answers: Pre-Flop (1. B) Flop (1. A) Turn (1. B) River (1. A)
I don't play this high, however I know Rand is a high stakes reg capable of 3 barrelling this.
I think I have to fold the river though; his turn bet to me just seems to scream a 7, I think he wants you to shove here with the exact kinda hand you have and his bet is to probably level you into knowing you have fold equity.